Lilith square . you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. 3) Angles in the houses & aspects. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. Its pretty rare. I dont quite know what it all means but I like what you wrote here and will keep it in mind for future reference: [Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Very exquisitely put. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. You will both be changed deeply by it. AT ALL. Its more complex than just the composite positions. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. We fall, and find the world. Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. Composite, Davison Chart . Thank you very much Dawn. in the 12th house, you might be safe in assuming that there was a marriage or long-term relationship in a past life. Our situation was kind of complicated. The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. Im a Pisces sun 7house. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) We feel that our twelfth house planets dont work the way our other planets do, or the way that same planet seems to behave in other peoples charts. Good luck. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. What do You think about Davison Chart? Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. Do you think that is true? Illusions yes I know. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. Hey Dawn! Lilith in partner's 12th house may represent emotional outbursts, manipulations and obsessions. What should i do? However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. Astrology Symbols, Elements, Modalities, & House Types. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. Dont worry, Evelyne. hi dawn. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. I dont know whether this situation is karma? I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. Is Your experience the same? What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. Thank you for your reply Dawn . What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? Most of it is illusions I know.. What do You think about Davison Chart? I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. Reply. When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! Emotional Suppression. It's so "behind scenes" that it freaks me out. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. We communicated telepathically and still do. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. I cant make a decision of whether to stay or leave without more clarity it feels like we arent done learning what we need to learn together, but staying together in this state where she doesnt desire me is agony. Greetings. I will look into it. I use both in my practice. It has been a long, hard road, but rewarding and with the planets in Cancer, SO hard to let go. Black Moon Lilith is the geometric point in the sky that marks the furthest point of the moon's orbit around the earth. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. I read your article and its really touching! The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) He is a pisces rising with neptune conjunct his midheaven. Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. along with Juno. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. Our composite sun is in the 7 house. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing. PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. Hello dawn I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. The Sun and Moon in the 7th house are especially encouraging for a new relationship (if you're single) because your main focus for the year (the Sun) plus your emotional concerns will be united in that area. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. In the second house of values, beware . I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). Lots of greetings from Serbia. Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. Im from a country in southamerica. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! or sth. When your North Node is in the 12th house of your partner's natal chart, you will help the 12th house native become more spiritual and grow as a person. I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. Haunting The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. Hello, Skye. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. I have met my match. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. We feel that very beautiful in our life! Look at what sign the 12th house is in. a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? IP: Logged. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) Im sorry, Kyveli, but this is too complex a question to answer in the space here. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. Lilith in : 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th Lilith - astrology meaning Black Moon - Fascination and Denial Lilith is a fictional point - the second empty focal point of . With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. Mine is conjunct with his moon. The North Node in the 12 th House - Synastry. Thank you for this series of articles! We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. Mysterious things attract you. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) North Node conjuncts Desc. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. It isnt that theyre unhappyno, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? Chiron. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it I had a karmic relationship with a guy for 6 years which ended badly. It depends on your Venus ' condition. Hi Daw Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. Its the last chance to get it right, and there will be a struggle to use this planets positive expression easily. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. Just a knowing if you will. Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. Just as the Sun is the Luminary of the day, the Moon is the Luminary of the night. Our physical connection was addicting. Learn More. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. This house is deeply spiritual by nature, as it is a composite of all the other houses. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. What is it that makes it work? Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. Mars and Pluto certainly do about Scorpio. And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. let go or fight for it? We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. Because, of Saturn and Pluto? Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. thundered Sun conj. My english is not very good. I need all the help to understand I can get. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. This is brilliant and compassionate. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. If you have Lilith in the 12 th house of your chart, her themes will manifest in terms of isolation, the shadow, and limitation. or is it irrelevant ? Lilith in 8 th house composite. Composite Houses, I'll begin, of course, with the Ascendant and the first quadrant of the chart. The south node lies there on the natal composite. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. Eventually, we learn that life is not as random as we thought, but full of purpose and meaning. Aghh! *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. The composite chart is probably the best known. Any advice would be helpful. I say empty.. no planet but Asteroid Osiris is 26 Aries. Im sorry, but all of the aspects you mentioned can be used as excuses to pull you back into a relationship that has ended for the other person: in particular, the trines. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. Lord knows I do drive myself crazy with lost love/unrequited love. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. I just am hesitating. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. Your email address will not be published. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. We have had such a difficult relationship. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. I am NOT usually like this. What of mother-daughter pairs? The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. Composite north node (Aquarius) trine composite Saturn in Libra (which is conjunct his natal sun). People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. I think this is SO true . She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. How ironic! More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. The sixth and the eighth house are also karmic houses. 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. thanks Dawn! They think no one cares whether they are present or absent. I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. Could be a seperation. That was over three years ago. The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. (Because the moon's orbit is elliptical, it has two center . It contains everything and nothing . And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! If the fears arent dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. thanks Dawn for your reply. Could I ask Your opinion?
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