When hes banging 25-30 HRs, hell be at best a mid-.800 OPS, nowhere near the $40M/year people believe he will get! Smith-Shawver, RHP 6. The league would never agree to that. Albies was banged up this year but his $35M contract was earned in basically a year and a half. Actually, you are totally wrong. 36. Spencer Schwellenbach, RHP 10. You also dont know whether he took the extension in order to lock up significant money, as a hedge against injury, or because he and his agent wanted to advance pitcher salaries for others. $25M (2028 Option), If he blew the lid off previous seasons with year-to-year, it would be like, $1M (2023) Judge is a high strikeout guy whose average is buoyed by his homerun total. Hes the steady eddie kind of player that gets under valued by fans. Its just false. The $75MM guarantee for Strider shatters any prior precedent for pitchers with such limited experience. Strider went on to blame the umpires for some long Mets at-bats, as well as inflating his pitch count. Worst case for Strider is close to what happened with Charlie Morton this year, and guess what? 3rd year $25.5 mm, and Sure, but then what if in those 2 years he continues putting up league-high K-rates, gets Cy votes (or wins), AS selections that increases his value exponentially, if he even wants to extend at that point. Have to disagree that Baez and Story have more upside than Swanson at this point in their careers. He has recorded 10 or more strikeouts in a game six times this season, including twice this month -- striking out 16 against the Colorado Rockies on Sept. 1, and 10 in his most recent start Sunday against the Phillies. Thats not to say every pitcher with between one and four years of service time will now require $75MM+ to sign an extension, of course; Striders case as a Rookie of the Year frontrunner and budding ace is far from the norm. Talent and stats should already give a higher floor, they arent going to double that for the Julios, Adleys, and Spencers of the world. Strider agreed to a six-year, $75 million deal that includes a $22 million option with a $5 million buyout for 2029. Let's check, How Rich is Duane, What is the Net Worth of Spencer Strider? Braves fans awoke on Monday looking forward to learning more about Striders health and potential availability during the NLDS. Since Strider stayed on the roster the whole year, his ROY placement (1st or 2nd) would only matter in terms of his team being able to add an extra mid-round draft pick for the Braves between the 1st and 2nd rounds as part of the new compensation for keeping top rated players on the roster from opening day forward.. No matter what, Strider is going to bank a full year of service in 2022, for anyone saying he will go to arbitration four times as a Super 2, the only way that would happen is if he sucked so bad in the next two years that he was optioned for 3 weeks to AAA for him to figure stuff out. This is the opposite of the Acuna and Albies deals, this wasnt just stupid for the Braves, it will hurt every small market team who will no longer be able to lock up their young players to team friendly deals, so they can remain competitive. Braves put RHP Strider on IL with oblique strain, Scherzer tries to test pitch clock limits, gets balk, Jays' Guerrero to miss WBC with inflamed knee, Rangers, LHP Smith agree to 1-year, $1.5M deal, 7 Cubs combine for 1st spring no-no since 2017, Jays 'playing it safe' after Guerrero tweaks knee, PitchCom-tipping: Loud device leaks Twins calls, Eflin's first start after $40M deal impresses Rays. I sure would like to have more of a track record than a single season. Jean Segura, MIA. This is the first season that he has looked really good and stayed healthy. The 2029 option comes with a $5MM buyout, which is factored into the guaranteed portion of the contract. Strider will be top 2 in ROY voting. "I'm just excited that there's some security in knowing I'll be here with these guys in this clubhouse," Strider said. You can project him to approach or even set some combination of Arb1, Arb2 and Arb3 records, and Strider would still probably come in under $50MM and thats assuming health and sustained dominance. For those that missed it, Strider will be Super Two BECAUSE he will be top 2 in ROY and that means he gets an extra year of service time in the new CBA. eligible. Spencer Strider was born on October 28, 1998. Luis Guanipa, OF 12. They may as well take it. Awkward, weak arm, slap happy hitter whose approach doesnt fit the Braves high exit velo crush the ball approach. (Strider is currently at 1.003 years.) Sure, lofty but possible. You are probably not accounting for the adjustments with the new CBA. Just cause they run this site doesnt mean they have some secret gift to know where players will sign and I never had a doubt he was headed there, since he was a Pirate. After that 5-2 win over the Philadelphia Phillies, Strider told the team he didn't feel right. On the one hand, while contracts like this Strider extension are cause to celebrate in the long-term, they do also create some shorter-term considerations. Tyler Wells gets his first start of the spring against Spencer Strider. What it means is you get credited with a full year regardless of the actual number of days you spent on the roster and are affirmatively NOT a Super Two because you were given a full year of service time. Spencer Strider (left) and Michael Harris II are vying to give the Braves their seventh National League Rookie of the Year. Sure there is a chance that the Braves might save $20 million plus if Strider becomes an ace, but they are far more likely to waste $20 million plus if he doesnt. Roy would give him a full year of service time but he already has the full year of service time. $22M (2027) And because they extended him it wont matter even if they DO send him down. Braves are the best run organization in all of baseball. Most of his miscalculations are trigger happy overreactions to common slumps and overvaluing prime players, because he doesnt realize the extra value hes trying to quantify is the consistency they bring in being a star player. Doubt theres one single reason that either the Braves or Strider decided this was the best course of action other than it benefits both parties. Great for Strider too, because he locks in generational guaranteed money. What would 2 years of Cole cost, instead of 9/324m? On the other hand, a subscription to Apple TV+ is remarkably cheap, comparatively: $4.99 a month or $49.99 a year. Thats totally irrelevant here. ================================ He earned his initial schooling at the Christian Academy of Knoxville in Knoxville, Tennessee. Because Strider spent the whole season in the majors anyway it has no effect on him. Its a general reference for trade values. For reference, Kris Bryant was a lock to be a Super Two because he finished 2017 with 2 years and 171 days of service time. Love the hugely inaccurate arb numbers by posters on here. If Strider is willing to take an extension now, he should be just as willing to do so again after another great year or two. In your case, the look that you should recognize for all the times you see it with that kind of personality is disgust followed by derisive laughter. Union before player, always. Trying to compare the deals those two got to Strider is ludicrous. Not a super bargain like Albies Acuna but its fine. As of January 2022, 23% of starting pitchers in MLB and 26% of all pitchers have had TJ surgery. Hes going to get over paid by somebody. Just like it wont be a collapse when the Braves get smoked in the playoffs. Thought I was being clear there C Yards. You didnt just say Strider was better then Degrom and Bauer. Dont know what thats worth, but its not nothin. Id assume the player has a good argument for the latter. The information does not usually directly identify you, but it can give you a more personalised web experience. Since 2020 was a short season lets take the last 4 seasons. When multiple players including likely Judge, Turner, and Correa surpass 7 years with a $35 MM AAV will you come back and say you were wrong? Austin Riley was signed to a 10-year, $212 million contract, and Michael Harris II was given an eight-year, $72 million deal. He will finish 2023 with 2 years and 3 days of service time not even close to the top 22% of players in his class. Definitely one of the best pitchers in the game but when it truly matters he crumbled. But if he is what it looks like he could be, its a steal. Use Fried as an example who might make roughly $40 mil through arb in total. The greatest lineups ever? They were wrong, clearly. Early career extensions are designed to give the team a discount and especially not overpay for their arbitration years. Theyre both at hpme.. And Strider got lit up, choking in the only important game hes ever pitched in. Obviously there are others, but these two usually seem to have reasonable and unbiased thoughts on their rivals. AA said as much in his interviews today when discussing Striders health, work habits, team fit, and overall excellence for his age. He could easily see $17m, 2om after this down year, then 28m. Btw.you put that Mets collapse in the books yet? But most importantly it sets bad precedent for the rest of the league for one team to save a few million dollars. The dudes who write for this site were linking Cole to the Angels. Look at post-season history over the last twenty or thirty years, and youll see the Braves usually getting the day games. You have? Its a league funded thing that every team will chip into $1.66 mil regardless. Now ya have your CF 1b 2b 3b rf and strider all signed to under market value contracts and still have money to sign swanson and dip into free agent pool. Overall, Strider broke out with 131 2/3 innings of 2.67 ERA ball and a 38.3% strikeout rate that paced all big leaguers who pitched at least 100 innings. If you add those up, you get $77M. That means he will have 2.003 so he will qualify for Super Two. Braves give long term deals to guys that will be younger when the deal is done. Strider broke the record for fastest to 200 strikeouts in a single season, doing so in 130 innings, two-thirds of an inning quicker than Hall of Famer Randy Johnson in 2001. And of that, how many non-tech savvy (i.e. Theres risk for sure, but if AA is doing it (hes been notoriously risk-aversive since arriving) Im giving him the benefit of the doubt. Who doesnt believe that the Tigers have serious buyers remorse on Baez? If his performance stays this high he will make over $80 million in his pre-arb year and those 4 arb years. Then add in the two FA years the Braves control at $22 million each, and this deal is great for the Braves. I guess thats why you make comments without referencing who you are talking about or what makes you an expert. Baez has been one of three most over rated players. LOL best rookie season ever. Baez 14.5 WAR View a free real draft analysis of a fantasy baseball league featuring 12 teams in a STD format. Had the Yankees given Judge the same treatment after the 2017 season, we wouldnt be having Judge FA discussions. I expect to see him elsewhere next year. The rotation is so strong that 39-year-old Morton, who re-signed for one year and $20 million, could possibly. Olson can go either way, I think. Is MLB ok with them now? If there is a publication that picked the Mets, please send the link. For everyone that doesnt get why this contract is bad. Victor Vodnik, RHP 14. So he still would not have been a Super Two. If you wait a year or two and he continues to pitch well, then his pricetag doubles. Nonetheless, as weve seen with young position players in recent years, the market for these types of extensions can still advance rapidly. But blowing a 7 1/2 game lead on August 7 and losing 6-7 to the primary opposition is absolutely a choke job. League figured him out quickly. If thats the case, how do you justify to Max Fried that hes only making $22.5M through his first 5 years in the league? The only way this deal makes sense is if he becomes an inner-circle Hall-of-Fame pitcher who is the greatest pitcher of our generation. October 1, 2021 I dont really comprehend the LOL. Strider has been significantly better than Harvey so far. He will fall off before he ever gets those record numbers. Lengthy extensions to position players I get. Good deal for both sides. Why? Isnt that the first requirement necessary to qualify for the extra service time youre referencing above? Prior to his walk year, he had an 8.8 career bWAR, or 2.1/650 PAs. $2M (2024) The deal includes a $22M club option, with a $5M buyout." - @ MLB Transaction Tracker. ft. is going for $60M+. They signed him to a lucrative six-year, $75 million extension on October 10. But they have shown the willingness to lock up their young stars. Your justification for the contract makes no sense. Harper was a huge part of that. Im a Braves fan who believes that there are plenty of fans of other teams who have common sense, knowledge, and good manners. Harper sold and sells lots of tickets etc and great pr. Know it all..not no-it-all. Imo, you made a reasonable case for your trade evaluation w/out the amateur psychological evaluation. Most likely, he wouldnt get anywhere near that much in arbitration. Players dont sign team friendly contacts because they are happy where they are(Jose Ramirez disagreeS. No the alternative is giving an extension that builds security for the player and allows them to gain price assurance. Even if you think Strider will break arb records annually, they wouldnt have been absurdly expensive. If his option is exercised, the deal will be worth $92 million over seven years. They are paying the suite price and hoping that they save the 10% fee for buying it at the window. Lets say he got 15% less than Soto, which if he continues to play like he did in 2022 is not likely, that would mean his one pre-arb year and his 4 arb years would look like this: The 2029 club option gives the Braves control over what wouldve been Striders second free-agent campaign. Not going to roast you on Sewmake, Mercenary, but imo theres no possibility of him being considered as a viable replacement for Swanson. From one English major to another, genius! His current contract terms are 6 yrs/$75M (23-28) & 29 team option. establishing the players relationship through goodwill too for the future. Seems like a good deal for both sides. High School: Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville, TN), School: Clemson University (Clemson, SC), Debut: Some high school data is courtesy David McWater. Especially not when youre right, lol. Guy is putting up Randy Johnson numbers. The dumb ones, like the Alderson-Eppler-Cohen Mets, traded 11 rWAR worth of MI for the privilege of giving Lindor $363m over 11 seasons because, as usual, they couldnt see what was right in front of them. If they would have waited to sign him for two years, it wouldve made less than a $10M difference in his contracts at most, but it would have given the team an extra $20M to spend before hitting the cap. A contract representing mutual respect is a good thing. Meanwhile, those games arent even broadcast on local cable, since you again just have to watch on Apple TV instead. The lowest the cutoff has been since 2009 is 2.115. This information might be about you, your preferences or your device and is mostly used to make the site work as you expect it to. Kudos to him if he wants to do it; cant blame him for being happy to take nine figures to stay with his hometown team and to stay with this core of players but there should be a lot more on the market for him than that. This allows them to trade for players like raisel iglesias who have extra years remaining on their contracts. I would imagine the MLBPA, other pitchers around the league, and the agents that represent those pitchers are all thrilled to see this contract. Very much doubt it. I dont mute your kind, but I wont bother reading your insult laden rants in the future. Scherzer isnt aging crap but it was one bad Wild Card game plus losing that pivotal start vs. ATL (he gave up 6 HR in his final 2 starts (inc. WC game) when he gave up only 13 HR all reg season). Hes shown his ceiling to be so high that Im sure they wanted to lock it in place before hes outpriced himself, with another solid season. Thats conjecture, you stating what his arb years would or wouldnt be considering the volatility of pitchers, players with less than two years of major league experience, players with less than 150 major league innings, and who have barely seen each team once, when pitching has the advantage over hitting when neither has faced each other. Huh? (101-61, 1st place in NL East). Braves: Spencer Strider offers plenty of blame for rough weekend vs Mets. He started 20 times and finished three . So basically they guaranteed his arbitration scale in exchange for an extra year, with an option for another year for more money. If the Braves pick up that net $17MM option for the 29 campaign, Strider will earn a total of $92MM over seven years. If he continues to play as h did in his rookie season, he would absolutely be at the top of the scale. When Cleveland was playing TB, they had lunchtime games. Spencer Strider sets an Atlanta Braves record with 16 Ks in a game!!!!!! The remaining $20-25M will be shared with the rest of the guys who arent arb. The Atlanta Braves have placed right-hander Spencer Strider on the 15-day injured list with a strained left oblique muscle. Hell be paid a $4MM salary in 2025 before jumping to $20MM in 2026 and $22MM in 2027 and 2028. We just cant afford to pay you market price. Now you all getting upset because Harvey was better then Strider at his stage of his career. Spencer Strider and the Plant-Based Diet When Strider was 19, he was diagnosed with high blood pressure something rather uncommon for a young athlete. He is likely to finish 2nd in NL ROY to teammate Michael Harris II, which means both get credited with a full year of service for 2022 regardless of whether they were brought up late or stayed on the roster all season. What about Georgias racist voting rights? Have a better case that shows why you would gamble paying $53M for three arb years to save $8M in free agency? Scores from any date in Major League history, Minor, Foreign, College, & Black Baseball, Frequently Asked Questions about MLB and Baseball, Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREE. Strong post NashvilleJ: thanks for mentioning the agent relationship angle. older demographic) are even able to do that? The Braves made this deal on the assumption that Strider will both be Top 2 in ROY voting, giving him an extra year of service time, and Top 5 in Cy Young voting giving the team an extra draft pick. The Braves payed for what they wish Strider turns into, but reality says he will never post those numbers again.Maybe Im wrong, but thats a big gamble on the back of 2/3 of a season.

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